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Growing Lapageria, Philesia and Luzuriaga in warm climate

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Growing Lapageria, Philesia and Luzuriaga in warm climate

Postby Nicasio » Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:28 pm

Hi all!

My name is Cesar, i am from Spain.

I am trying to grow Lapageria, Philesia and Luzuriaga in my climate. It's difficult, but i think i have some sucess with Philesia and Luzuriaga. I dont know why, but Lapageria always die for me. I try to keep all these plants cool and shaded in the summer, and that seems to work, but it looks like Lapageria is the one who doesnt like warm at all. Philesia and Luzuriaga also do not like the summertime, but they survive.

I would like to ask your opinion in how i should grow Lapageria.

Many thanks
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Re: Growing Lapageria, Philesia and Luzuriaga in warm climate

Postby michail » Thu Feb 05, 2009 2:58 pm

Congratulations on having success with Philesia and Luzuriaga!

I think that they are quite more difficult than Lapageria rosea. From natural habitat conditions, I would say that Philesia magellanica generally grows in colder areas, i.e. areas where the maximum temperature is lower, then Luzuriaga radicans or Lapageria rosea, however, it prefers more exposed, sunny locations. Luzuriaga radicans needs the darkest conditions of the three. As far as the water requirements are concerned, they have very similar requirements, with Lapageria maybe somewhat more tolerant to drier soil.

We here in Chile on our experimental lot grow Lapageria with moderate success, the main problem being temperature - in summer we have day temperatures of around + 30 + 33, but the nights are cool.

If you have the problem that the plants die soon after germinating (dumping-off), then it might be a fungus problem, and other member of our forum, Texan, may have more information on that issue.
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Re: Growing Lapageria, Philesia and Luzuriaga in warm climate

Postby Texan » Fri Feb 06, 2009 2:01 am

AAARRRGGGGG, I just wrote a reply and doh, lost it all. lol Ok let me rewrite what I remember of it.

Yes I have Lapageria and Philesia growing. Though I started them this fall and they are out in my green house. Though I use the term green house loosely. It is more like a large coldframe that I only heat to keep from freezing on very cold nights.

Since my plants are so young I have not yet had the to see how they fair during a normal East Texas summer. It can be + 30 and above with very humid conditions.

When the chance of feezing is over I will most likely set them out in deep shade with an automatic watering system.

Michail remind me later to post my results if I forget. I think you should still have my email.
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Re: Growing Lapageria, Philesia and Luzuriaga in warm climate

Postby Nicasio » Fri Feb 13, 2009 8:47 am

My plants of Philesia and Luzuriaga are already big, but i am trying Lapageria frm seed and i fail. Maybe if i can find a source for a plant it would be easier to keep alive?

I also heard that the white Lapageria is the most rare of all, is this true?
And about Philesia, are there any albino forms?
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Re: Growing Lapageria, Philesia and Luzuriaga in warm climate

Postby michail » Fri Feb 13, 2009 1:44 pm

Hi,

I doubt that keeping an adult plant would be easier than starting from seed. They are very complicated (=almost impossible) to send.

If you have problems germinating, then the problem is that you have old seeds. As I posted once, fresh seeds of Lapageria rosea have almost 90 % germination rate, which declines rapidly with time and especially after drying the seeds. I have tried once germinating dried seeds which were stored for about one year, and the results were less then meager (<1 %). I know that people do manage to germinate succesfully dried seeds, but it is a long and complicated story. Now, what can be done is to send an entire fruit. We did this a couple of times last year and apparently it works. The fruits get squashed, but usually arrive without fungus. In Chile now is the harvesting time for that species, and we will have fresh seeds in about two weeks.

If your problem is that your plants die soon after emerging, especially if you have them in a cool, dark place, it is probably due to fungus.

If the plants die later, then the reason could be the environmental conditions. Temperature and sunlight.

By the way, it is very important to use acid soil! PH 5.0 is a good reference point. Dark, rich soil is best.

There are albine forms of many species, not just Lapageria, but in nature they are rare to extremely rare. For instance, I have never seen a white Lapageria rosea in wild. Colors usually go from pure red to pink or pink speckled with white. The Philesia magellanica is also red, I have never seen other colors. You can obtain white variety of Lapageria rosea though, but we do not have it, since our seeds come from wild plants.

Luzuriaga radicans have white flowers.
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Re: Growing Lapageria, Philesia and Luzuriaga in warm climate

Postby Texan » Sat Feb 14, 2009 3:42 am

Hi,
I have seen seed for a white Lapageria up for bid on Ebay. But with seed chances of getting white flowers are quite slim. Then factor in how hard they are to germinate, keep fungus from killing seedlings then waiting the few years to so if you have white flowers or not. lol That for me is way too many "if's" I don't recall if the guy ever sells any rooted cuttings. Not sure if that is possible for Lapageria. That makes a good question thought that I will post in a new topic.
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Re: Growing Lapageria, Philesia and Luzuriaga in warm climate

Postby ashley basil » Sun Mar 01, 2009 5:13 pm

White lapageria the best place is http://www.tomorrowsplants.com/plants11.htm or http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk/climbers/cat1.htm if in Uk .
Seed will not come true as need to cross pollinated, Even crossing white parents will give 1 white 1 pink 2 reds i assume.
I think the only secret in growing them is never hot, cold, dry, alkali, or slugs.http://www.flickr.com/photos/28438417@N08/2789165107/
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Re: Growing Lapageria, Philesia and Luzuriaga in warm climate

Postby hanninkj » Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:56 pm

White Lapageria are rather rare. Most white are not complete white. I have some white plants and seedlings.

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Re: Growing Lapageria, Philesia and Luzuriaga in warm climate

Postby charliepridham » Mon Apr 06, 2009 5:50 pm

Hi all,
My first post here but I do grow a lot of Lapageria and Philesia, there has already been much useful advice given on growing from seed to which I would only add - Patience! I leave my seedlings once germinated between 1 and 2 years before I move them, waiting until they are throwing some new shoots from below ground, although a proportion of seedlings will die before that stage usually of fungal attack I have never lost an older plant while moving it.

As regards growing in a hot climate, outdoors here is good for Lapageria cool summers and usually mild(ish) winters but I also have plants in greenhouses and poly tunnels which can get to very high temperatures and find that an automatic fogging system works wonders and this can be cheaply arranged using battery operated valves.
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Re: Growing Lapageria, Philesia and Luzuriaga in warm climate

Postby Texan » Sat May 30, 2009 8:01 pm

Hi all,

I wanted to give an update on my Lapageria and philesia seedlings. The temps outside are now hitting 90F (32C). My seedlings are still alive and doing ok outside. I live in a part of Texas that is humid so I am hoping that will help when August temps can hit 102 or 103F (39C). (or higher! lol)

I am going to bring some of them inside to a place I have fixed up where it will be cooler. But I will certainly leave some outside to see how they fair with full shade, high humidity, daily misting and furnace like temps. lol
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